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Published - Sunday, April 05, 2009
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Town board grills clerk on performance issues

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They bickered. They made allegations. They called each other names. In the end, they agreed to make more rules.

In a 2 1/2-hour special meeting Wednesday that often strayed from Roberts Rules of Order, several Onalaska Town Board members accused Clerk Sue Schultz of violating public records and election laws, withholding information from the board and undermining Town Administrator Paul Kitzmann and Chairman Stan Hauser.
Onalaska Town Clerk Sue Schultz takes notes during a Town of Onalaska board meeting Wednesday night.
Photo by Erik Daily

Schultz, who asked that the discussion be held in open session, first refused to answer questions not pertaining to the terms of her employment but later turned questions back onto Hauser — “Do you delete any e-mails you receive?” — and at one point accused him of lying.

“It’s kind of blindsiding me as a kangaroo court,” Schultz said.

Hauser said it appeared she was failing to perform certain duties, though on the advice of town attorney Dan Dunn the board took no immediate action.

Supervisors also questioned Schultz and each another about the fate of a town computer and whether its hard drive was improperly destroyed after it quit working.

When Joe Schaller motioned to authorize an investigation, Hauser announced he already had contacted La Crosse County authorities and an investigation was under way.

“Shouldn’t we have been notified?” asked Howard Kelly.

“I felt it was my responsibility as chair,” Hauser said.

The dialog deteriorated quickly.

“Why are you being snide?” Schaller asked Kelly.

“You are creating innuendo,” Kelly said. “You do this all the time, right down to the time you accused me of beating my wife.”

“You are insane,” Schaller responded.

The discussion revealed the town has no formal procedures for backing up computer data.

“It doesn’t do us a lot of good to investigate things we don’t have a policy for,” Kelly said.

Schultz wasn’t the only town employee whose performance was on the agenda. After a closed-session discussion of Kitzmann’s performance, the board unanimously agreed to work with Kitzmann to establish criteria to be used in his annual evaluations.

In a separate vote, a motion to investigate a letter regarding firearm hunting rights on a 75-acre tract of land on Brice Prairie passed 3-2 with an amendment to have the administrator develop a policy for handling e-mails to the town.

Hauser said after the meeting he wasn’t entirely satisfied.

“Things were aired,” he said. “I hope there was some progress made.”

The board also voted to let the town people decide whether to proceed on a project to improve safety at the intersection of Briggs Road and Highway XX.

According to calculations by Hauser and Kelly, the town is anywhere from $50,000 to $60,000 short of the estimated $282,635 cost. The decision on whether to proceed will be added to the agenda for the annual town meeting.
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anti whining wrote on Apr 7, 2009 6:38 AM:

" Consider This,

So if you and Paul Kitzmann, our current town administrator and current chairman of Burns, had your way, all personal and private voting choices made in this country would be published as they were in Burns?

Individuals would be publicly ostracized for their voting choices as they were by Kitzmann in the Town of Burns. Those people would then likely not vote out of fear in the future, and people like Mr. Kitzmann would have their way as he did in the Town of Burns.

Yes, bullying does work for Mr. Kitzmann. It worked in Burns to discourage good citizens willing to participate in government. It also worked to drive a 12 year employee (secretary) out of the Town of Onalaska. "

Consider This wrote on Apr 6, 2009 9:30 PM:

" anti whining, you obviously agree with babyt that "we the people" are NOT ENTITLED to know who voted FOR HIGHER TAXES.

What ELSE are "we the people" NOT ENTITLED to? "

anti whining wrote on Apr 6, 2009 3:48 PM:

" A town chairman (Kitzmann in the Town of Burns) publishing which residents voted to raise a levy is simply irresponsible and self serving.

How many of those residents participated in future meetings? Probably not many. I guess this measures the success Kitzmann had in the Town of Burns exposing residents that did not vote the way he wanted.

This is NOT informing the electorate. This is simply abuse.

This is what we want as town administrator for the Town of Onalaska? Whoa. This is very scary.

...and to think this man is advising the current 3 incumbents. "

Consider This wrote on Apr 6, 2009 1:18 PM:

" babyt
wrote on
Apr 5, 2009 7:35 PM:

Are you saying that Kitzmann, wanting an informed electorate, published the names of those who voted YES to HIGHER TAXES?

He actually wanted people to know the how, what, why, when, where, and WHO of their taxes going up and you oppose this?

Please elaborate... "

babyt wrote on Apr 6, 2009 5:54 AM:

" The scare tactics have increased in 2005. The Burns town clerk sent a town resident a letter accusing them of taking town property and holding them responsible for its return. This town property was an extra copy of some town insurance information, handed out by the insurance agent for the public. The accused town resident did not take the information but contacted the insurance agent who gladly sent extra copies to the town.

This was to no avail ...

Another time, Mr. Kitzmann falsely accused an elected, long-term town treasurer of poor bookkeeping and missing money. After years of the chairman reconstructing the books and refusing to acknowledge the treasurers computer records, he admitted no money was missing. Mr. Kitzmann continued harassing the treasurer, long after her resignation, until he was directed to deal with her attorney. "

babyt wrote on Apr 5, 2009 7:35 PM:

" Oracle is right. Hauser and Kitzmann have to go!
Terrorism in Burns? That is what the tactics of Burns Town Chairman Paul Kitzman are starting to look like.

Beginning with last years budget hearing to determine the 2005 levy, the chairman published the names of those who voted to raise the levy. Mr. Kitzmann, who did not want the levy raised in an election year, used this scare tactic to smear the names of the 16 voters. The names of the other voters attending this meeting were not published.

Next, Mr. Kitzmann held a publicized special town meeting to overturn the 2005 levy. At this meeting the chairman would not allow any discussion of the budget, which is the basis for setting the levy. The voters were only allowed an uninformed choice of two levy figures and the chairman got his way. "

Consider This wrote on Apr 5, 2009 7:02 PM:

" The Oracle wrote on Apr 5, 2009 10:57 AM:
" The truth is ...

Paul Kitzmann wrote both Stan Hauser's letter to the editor and Doug Shefelbine's letter to the voters." PLEASE PROVIDE EVIDENCE TO PROVE THIS. "

Consider This wrote on Apr 5, 2009 6:55 PM:

" The Oracle wrote on Apr 5, 2009 11:43 AM:
"Watch: If Hauser's gang wins, Schultz will be replaced by a new clerk. "

and if Paudler's gang wins, then we'll get a new administrator AND a new clerk unless the Schultz's want to violate the anti-nepotism policy more than they already have. "

Consider This wrote on Apr 5, 2009 6:50 PM:

" We should all take notice that Mr. Kelly, instead of addressing this issues posed, resorted to personal attacks. This is a typical blog tactic used by those who realize they are on the loosing side of an argument.

I would also point out, that in his most recent useless post, Mr. Kelly's attack is remarkably similar to those of Mr. Schaller.

Thank you Mr. Kelly for showing you are willing to stoop to the same slimy tactics as the other board members.
You have learned well... "

fred wrote on Apr 5, 2009 1:35 PM:

" " The truth is ...

Sue Schultz has been a mediocre clerk. There likely have been illegal meetings because her inadequate organizational skills have resulted in items being left off agendas or agendas coming out late. She means well. She's just slightly incompetent. That is a under statement. For the last six years she has been so incompetent that someone else has done her job while still being paid 18 K a year for 20 hrs. a week of doing nothing. Why is she still there? "

The Oracle wrote on Apr 5, 2009 12:36 PM:

" The truth is ...

Other towns have gone to hiring professional clerks with good results, including neighboring Holland. The voters first elected Schultz, who beat a longtime incumbent clerk, so it's not not as if the voters never approved her. She has given a lot to the community, and although she isn't the most competent clerk ever, she's worth keeping while Kitzmann is not.

At least Schultz could learn better organizational techniques. I don't think Kitzmann could learn a new personality, one that is less paranoid, manipulative, micromanaging and generally conniving and evil. "

ht bast wrote on Apr 5, 2009 12:19 PM:

" the clerks job was an elected position, if the paudler group did not make it a for hire position, we all could vote who we want there and we would not have this mess. "

The Oracle wrote on Apr 5, 2009 11:43 AM:

" The truth is ...

Sue Schultz has been a mediocre clerk. There likely have been illegal meetings because her inadequate organizational skills have resulted in items being left off agendas or agendas coming out late. She means well. She's just slightly incompetent.

On the other hand, Paul Kitzmann created an illegal agenda and had the board conduct an illegal meeting with evil intent. He and Hauser have all along intended to get rid of Schultz, and possibly never intended to give Kitzmann the clerk's duties as well as the administrator's.

The board never approved a motion to combine the two positions, but Hauser and Kitzmann made it seem to Schultz as if she was going to be let go as soon as Kitzmann was ready.

Watch: If Hauser's gang wins, Schultz will be replaced by a new clerk. "

The Oracle wrote on Apr 5, 2009 11:31 AM:

" The truth is ...

Stan Hauser is taking the fall for Paul Kitzmann on the open meeting violation. Kitzmann prepared the meeting notice without the required specifics on the reason for the closed session. Kitzmann has been chairman of the town of Burns for six or eight years and has always been a stickler for legal technicalities. It wouldn't be at all surprising for Hauser to not know (he doesn't know much about how to run a town) but Kitzmann knew full well that agenda was not legal in that regard.

He also failed to notify the media about the meeting. His excuse that there wasn't time is pathetically ridiculous. So is his excuse that Hauser told him not to send it to the media. Kitzmann is the one calling the shots. "

The Oracle wrote on Apr 5, 2009 10:57 AM:

" The truth is ...

Paul Kitzmann wrote both Stan Hauser's letter to the editor and Doug Shefelbine's letter to the voters. Kitzmann has orchestrated this whole trumped up open records investigation in an attempt to smear Sue Schultz and by association the challengers in the election.

If there had been a real problem with records retention, a professional administrator would have given some gentle guidance to his co-workers. Also, if an investigation was truly needed, a professional administrator would have brought in the sheriff's department and DA, to avoid even the appearance of a political motive. There's also a private motive: Kitzmann's job preservation.

Kitzmann's so-called investigation is a sham and will never result in charges. Taxpayers are paying him to waste time and work for the incumbents. "

howard kelly wrote on Apr 5, 2009 9:37 AM:

" consider this
I am sad for you, really i am. your life has so little going on it it that you spend all your time hiding behind a fake screen name taking shots at others. do your best to discredit me...it seems to fill your life with pirpose.
My suggestion to you is a simple one..make a friend. go to a movie. learn to crochet, whittle, take photos, volunteer with a charity, do something so your life has some meaning other than sitting in front of a computer pounding your chest attempting to hurt people who you have no involvement with.
Seriously, life is to short to be so bitter--plus your hiding behind a fake name doesn't get you the attention you so deperately desire.
it is Sunday, go have a talk with god (Which ever one you believe in)... "

fred wrote on Apr 5, 2009 9:31 AM:

" headoutofsand
wrote on
Apr 4, 2009 10:57 PM:

" Hey everyone...let's call a temporary truce.



Temporary Truce? that means lay off of Paudler, Ruoff and Schultz, and then every one attacked Kitzann?
Should the town administrator be helping board members with their election?

This is another example of the one sidedness. You blast Kitzmann but not a word
about Sue Schultz or Peg Hanson. These two as Town employees have done every thing in there power to get Paudler, Schultz and Ruoff elected.
some of the things these two have done is even illegal. "

Consider This wrote on Apr 5, 2009 6:51 AM:

" Third, on another thread, Kelly encourages the public to get involved, but on this thread, he (Kelly) admits to holding meeting with no official agenda or minutes. How is the public to be involved, when you prefer them to be uninformed?

I guess you learned that little trick from your neighbor, Paudler. "

Consider This wrote on Apr 5, 2009 6:48 AM:

" First, I will again point out it was a PUBLIC MEETING, and there is a record, and it shows that Kelly, Hauser, and Paudler ALL voted to pay an inordinate amount of tax money for a piece of land near the superfund site. Neither Kelly nor anyone else can dispute this it is public record.

Kelly wrote, "I challenge you to go back over the last year of minutes and find a vote that I supported or didn't support that wasn't in the best interest of the town." I did Mr. Kelly and you CANNOT and HAVENOT DISPUTED THE PUBLIC RECORD!

Second, Kelly writes, "Those meetings were committee meetings--not board functions. as such we can or cannot take minutes." So Kelly ADMITS TO MEETINGS with no agendas or minutes. "

headoutofsand wrote on Apr 4, 2009 10:57 PM:

" Hey everyone...let's call a temporary truce.

This late in the game, everyone has already decided who they are going to vote for. Not much is going to change it at this point.

Not even the letter Paul Kitzmann sent out to the town residents this weekend. Oh... wait ...Doug Shefelbine helped a little (at least financially).

Should the town administrator be helping board members with their election? Where was Mr. Kitzmann ALL of Friday morning? He wasn't at work at the town hall when citizens needed him "

howard kelly wrote on Apr 4, 2009 9:41 PM:

" consider this--as you continue to hide in a fake name...

Those meetings were committee meetings--not board functions. as such we can or cannot take minutes. its about giving citizens that want to be involved an opportunity to meet--not about official actions. Official actions must be brought to the board for anything to take place
but do keep trying to stir up things --although i must admit youa re starting to get boring "

Consider This wrote on Apr 4, 2009 4:44 PM:

" howard kelly
wrote on
Apr 4, 2009 9:55 AM:

"perhaps you noticed that Dave paudler was not on the board during that vote??"

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Purhaps you noticed the official record indicates he (Paudler) was at the PUBLIC HEARING and voted in favor of the purchase, just like you and Hauser!

There isn't a single agenda or minutes for the "tourism group" available on the OFFICIAL WEB SITE for the 2008 calendar year. Are you admitting to holding/attending meetings without public notice or a written record? "

ht bast wrote on Apr 4, 2009 11:49 AM:

" howard kelly
wrote on
Apr 3, 2009 1:40 PM:

" riskyrayburn (rick)
I challenge you to go back over the last year of minutes and find a vote that I supported or didn't support that wasn't in the best interest of the town.

Oh wait, I have been on the board for a year and you just came to your first meeting. Clearly showing interest and support of the town.... "


rick
howard might have you on this one, with the poor record keeping by schultz you might find it hard to prove your point. "

howard kelly wrote on Apr 4, 2009 9:55 AM:

" consider this-whoever you really are--hiding behind a fake name....
first--perhaps you noticed that Dave paudler was not on the board during that vote??

As to the parks committee--i have a full time job that required some of my time--is that OK with you?...when the rest of the board voted against the idea of a memorial park and citizens adopting parks, i was feeling somewhat defeated. Sad that your peers can't see a good idea to involve the citizens --then we got around to me needing information from the town crew--took another month and suddenly it was winter...again, where were you during these meetings? Home on the couch?

tourism group has been meeting when our schedules can match up..been to many of those meetings or busy on your couch? "

Consider This wrote on Apr 4, 2009 12:14 AM:

" Yes MR. Kelly, you voted WITH Paudler and Hauser to pay an inordinate amount of money for a parcel of property next to the superfund cleanup site. There was no professional (condemnation) appraisal done, just what some real estate agent (who stood to make 6%) said it was worth.

Paudler and his minion along with you and the rest of the board did NOT vote in the best interest of the towns people.

You were also placed on the Parks Committee as its chair. You held one meeting, promised to look into a memorial for Tim, and then dropped the ball.

You were supposed to hold a committee meeting in July, you didn't until September.

You are the Liaison to the Tourism Group, please tell us meeting date/times that you attended in this role. "

howard kelly wrote on Apr 3, 2009 1:40 PM:

" riskyrayburn (rick)
I challenge you to go back over the last year of minutes and find a vote that I supported or didn't support that wasn't in the best interest of the town.

Oh wait, I have been on the board for a year and you just came to your first meeting. Clearly showing interest and support of the town.... "

ht bast wrote on Apr 3, 2009 12:50 PM:

" justme
wrote on
Apr 3, 2009 11:21 AM:

" ht - let me guess who brought that lawsuit, was it Kitzmann himself?






The Office of Lawyer Regulation "

ht bast wrote on Apr 3, 2009 12:37 PM:

" justme
wrote on
Apr 3, 2009 11:21 AM:

" ht - let me guess who brought that lawsuit, was it Kitzmann himself? I heard he has threatened lawsuits against everyone who has ever come in his path. "


and you dont "

justme wrote on Apr 3, 2009 11:21 AM:

" ht - let me guess who brought that lawsuit, was it Kitzmann himself? I heard he has threatened lawsuits against everyone who has ever come in his path. "

riskyrayburn wrote on Apr 3, 2009 9:54 AM:

" I went to this last meeting and who is this Howard Kelly that acts like a 7 year old spoiled brat and makes the board look like they can't get along but this is want Paudler and the rest of the clad want so they can get to their own agenda and not what is good for the town ........Rick "

riskyrayburn wrote on Apr 3, 2009 9:48 AM:

" the drama is being brought up now by Schultz and Paudler and his cronies to make it seem as the town is out of control but what happened is they hired a man to do a job and he is doing it right and not the way Paudler wants it done so Paudler wants a guy in there that will do what Paudler wants done and not what is good for the town and its people "

riskyrayburn wrote on Apr 3, 2009 9:40 AM:

" has everyone forgot what paudler and his clan did last time they were in power - they lied and stole money from all of us with the water run off tax that did not need to be put in our tax bill- besides the people not wanting this new tax brought in but la crosse county told them they did not need it so if you think it will be better with paudler in office you had better have your hand over your wallet "

ht bast wrote on Apr 3, 2009 8:15 AM:

" anti whining
wrote on
Apr 3, 2009 5:48 AM:

" Did Hauser, Schaller and Booth make a bad choice for our town with Kitzmann? Did they not even vaguely investigate before hiring?

Look at this additional letter in the coulee news that includes the following ATTORNEY comments:

http://www.couleenews.com/articles/2003/08/20/opinion/00lead.txt



this attorney?

Attorney faces state hearing on complaint


By JO ANNE KILLEEN | joanne.killeen@lee.net


The Office of Lawyer Regulation has filed a complaint with the Wisconsin Supreme Court against West Salem attorney Harry Griswold for his handling of the Burns Cemetery issue. Griswold is charged with violating Supreme Court Rule 20:8.4(c), which states: It is professional misconduct for a lawyer to engage in conduct involving dishonesty, fraud, deceit or misrepresentation. "

ht bast wrote on Apr 3, 2009 7:22 AM:

" anti whining
wrote on
Apr 3, 2009 5:48 AM:

" Did Hauser, Schaller and Booth make a bad choice for our town with Kitzmann? Did they not even vaguely investigate before hiring?

Look at this additional letter in the coulee news that includes the following ATTORNEY comments:

http://www.couleenews.com/articles/2003/08/20/opinion/00lead.txt

"I wish the town of Burns well. I hope its citizens get out and vote the next time town officials are up for election. In most townships a sheriff's deputy doesn't have to be present at almost every meeting to referee. Until Chairman Kitzmann is retired there will be nothing but acrimony, bitterness, and wasted tens of thousands of dollars in the town of Burns." "


nice it's from 2003 from it looks like raymers attorney and how many times has he ben elected , nice try. "

anti whining wrote on Apr 3, 2009 5:48 AM:

" Did Hauser, Schaller and Booth make a bad choice for our town with Kitzmann? Did they not even vaguely investigate before hiring?

Look at this additional letter in the coulee news that includes the following ATTORNEY comments:

http://www.couleenews.com/articles/2003/08/20/opinion/00lead.txt

"I wish the town of Burns well. I hope its citizens get out and vote the next time town officials are up for election. In most townships a sheriff's deputy doesn't have to be present at almost every meeting to referee. Until Chairman Kitzmann is retired there will be nothing but acrimony, bitterness, and wasted tens of thousands of dollars in the town of Burns." "

justcurious wrote on Apr 2, 2009 6:02 PM:

" Wouldn't what she does with emails she receives at work on her office computer be pertaining to her job? Why should she feel blindsided? She was totally aware of this controversy. "

Hank wrote on Apr 2, 2009 4:39 PM:

" It's quite obvious what we've seen in the last week or so is the death throes of an unpopular lame duck regime. Mr. Hauser and his cronies are about to be booted from power. They have made up these false accusations in order to discredit anyone who might be associated with their opponents. I think Mrs. Schultz is to be commended for standing up to these bullies. Town of Onalaska residents: Your liberation is at hand. "

ht bast wrote on Apr 2, 2009 3:31 PM:

" Its kind of blindsiding me as a kangaroo court, Schultz said.


schultz if you could not see this coming you better stay off the rail road tracks. "


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